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| 1 | Animated Film Australia Logo |
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| 2 | Australian Biography Graphic Sequence |
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| 3 | FADE IN. Archival: Jack in crowd with megaphone Super: FREEZE FRAME. DISSOLVE TO: |
Jack sync: We do not believe that Union officialdom should lock itself away in a room and work out what's best for the workers. What should happen, if we're talking about saving Sydney, if we're talking about saving our environment, well then the people from the 'Loo, the people from Victoria St., the people from the Rocks, from Waterloo, they should be at that meeting today. [Music] |
10:00:17 |
| 4 | Jack |
Interviewer v/o: The name Jack Mundey is very much associated with Sydney but you were actually born in far north Queensland. What kind of a childhood did you have there? Jack sync: Well I, I guess that when I came to Sydney the thing that I missed was the beautiful terrain of the Atherton Tableland. |
10:00:50 |
| 5 | Archival: Atherton Tablelands |
Jack v/o: It is one of the most beautiful parts of Australia and growing up as a little kid on a, on a |
10:01:12 |
| 6 | Archival: Atherton Tablelands |
dairy farm, even though the circumstances were pretty modest, was still very refreshing when I look back on it. |
10:01:18 |
| 7 | Archival: Row boats in stream |
Swimming in the, those beautiful clear streams and |
10:01:24 |
| 8 | Archival: Row boats in stream |
walking through a rain forest, and so |
10:01:28 |
| 9 | Archival: People bush walking |
I was, I guess an environmentalist from that time on, |
10:01:30 |
| 10 | Jack |
Jack sync: I was only six when my mother died. |
10:01:37 |
| 11 | Photo: Family portrait |
Jack v/o: The Depression was at its worst and there were five little kids |
10:01:40 |
| 12 | Photo: Jack's mother |
on a, on a poverty stricken dairy farm, I was looked upon by the other kids as a bit of mummy's boy, |
10:01:44 |
| 13 | Jack |
Jack sync: and I do remember when the realisation that she was dead hit me, that first real shock of my life, what did it all mean? When I saw the other aunts crying and I knew she was, mummy's gone, mummy's gone to heaven, I knew she'd gone |
10:01:52 |
| 14 | Photo: Jack's mother nad his sister |
jack v/o: you know and at that stage the |
10:02:15 |
| 15 | Photo: Jack's mother |
children were farmed out to different relatives, I remained with my father |
10:02:17 |
| 16 | Photo: Jack's father |
who was then working on another farm, just working for a farmer. Interviewer v/o: Jack, you were brought up a |
10:02:22 |
| 17 | Photo: Alter boys around the alter |
catholic. What kind of religious education did you have? I was particularly impressed |
10:02:28 |
| 18 | Jack |
Jack sync: with one aspect of it, that said if you die with venial sin well you go to purgatory for a while, but if you die with mortal sin you go to hell forever and ever and ever. And I thought, Jesus Christ that's a long time and as a young kid I thought, forever, you know, and it strengthened my faith, faith and for a while I became a devoted catholic at eight years of age. But, no, seriously I thought, you know, it really shot home the catholic teaching of little kids and how it puts the fear of Christ in them. Interviewer v/o: And have you avoided mortal sin for the rest of your life? Jack sync: All depends what you call mortal sin, I have some difficulty defining it, but, no, I'd say I have probably serious venial sins [laughs]. Interviewer v/o: What was school like |
10:02:35 |
| 19 | Photo: school class photo |
for you? Jack v/o: I was always pretty good. I only really went to primary school |
10:03:32 |
| 20 | Photo: Young Jack and 2 others |
because I left my first year at secondary school when I was at the Marist Brothers |
10:03:36 |
| 21 | Photo: Marist Brothers college |
boarding school when I left it very suddenly |
10:03:42 |
| 22 | Photo: Students outside college |
and I think the authoritarian methods |
10:03:47 |
| 23 | Jack |
Jack sync: didn't coincide with some of my thinking and in fact, after about six months I ran away |
10:03:51 |
| 24 | Photo: school playground |
Jack v/o: so you could say that I only had a primary school education. But I guess I'd say that |
10:03:59 |
| 25 | Photo: People in dirt, church in BG |
through my socialist beliefs I have a lot of self-education |
10:04:05 |
| 26 | Jack |
Jack sync: And so, I've read widely, and so I'd have to put myself down in old age as a fairly successful self-educated person. |
10:04:10 |
| 27 | Photo: people sitting on water tanks incl Jack |
Interviewer v/o: After you ran away from school you were apprenticed to a local |
10:04:20 |
| 28 | Photo: Jack sitting on water tank |
plumber when you got an offer to go |
10:04:24 |
| 29 | Photo: Jack and friend |
to Sydney to play league for Parramatta. Just how good a player were you? |
10:04:27 |
| 30 | Photo: Young Jack |
Jack v/o: I was a good rugby league player and represented the Atherton Tableland and |
10:04:33 |
| 31 | Photo: Jack in footy gear |
played right throughout the north, in the country, I trained all the year round |
10:04:39 |
| 32 | Jack |
Jack sync: and I think it made me look better than what I really was, because in Sydney I was pretty ordinary |
10:04:46 |
| 33 | Photo: Football team |
Jack v/o: player. and as I got into my later 20s I became more involved in unionism and, then of course politics. |
10:04:54 |
| 34 | Photo: Jack's father |
Jack v/o: sown the seeds of politics in me in the sense that his |
10:05:05 |
| 35 | Jack |
Jack sync: understanding and explanation of how so rapidly we could go from a depression to a war and then into a post-war boom, all the course of a decade and a half, I think made me think a lot about the, that something was wrong in society, and certainly for those at the bottom of the pile, of which I always considered myself, always very much working class person and never aspiring to being anything other than that. |
10:05:12 |
| 36 | Photo: Jack with friend |
Jack v/o: And so I guess that I was a natural left-leaning |
10:05:48 |
| 37 | Photo: Young Jack |
individual. Interviewer v/o: Why did you join the communist party and not the Labor party? |
10:05:54 |
| 38 | Jack |
Jack sync: I suppose it was a stronger belief that a socialist system could come about by the Communist Party. |
10:06:01 |
| 39 | Archival: Man selling communist newspapers |
Jake v/o: and my understanding of socialism and communism |
10:06:13 |
| 40 | Archival: Tribune Newspaper |
developed when I went to schools, that within in the Communist Party |
10:06:17 |
| 41 | Archival: People selling newspapers |
and then over the years my understanding of the |
10:06:21 |
| 42 | Jack |
Jack sync: enormity of the evils of Stalinism, that so perverted the rather terrific ideas, the socialist ideals, the Marxism that I still believe in. Interviewer v/o: Now it was 1957 |
10:06:27 |
| 43 | Archival: Building site |
when you became a builder's labourer. What was the building industry like when you first joined it? |
10:06:46 |
| 44 | Archival: Builder's labourer digging hole |
Jack v/o: The conditions |
10:06:53 |
| 45 | Archival: Labourers in ditch |
were appalling, The workers were not respected |
10:06:55 |
| 46 | Archival: Man with wheelbarrow |
in any sense of the word. Buildings were going |
10:06:59 |
| 47 | Archival: overhead shot from tall building |
higher, more dangerous work practices were being |
10:07:02 |
| 48 | Archival: Man suspended by rope |
introduced because of the height of the buildings and one year there were 14 dog men who used to ride the load in those days, |
10:07:05 |
| 49 | Archival: Planks of wood hauled by rope |
were killed,. One of the reasons conditions were |
10:07:13 |
| 50 | Archival: labourer climbing ladder |
so poor was that the builders' labourers' union |
10:07:18 |
| 51 | Archival: Tin shed |
was led by a group of people who were |
10:07:21 |
| 52 | Archival: Tin shed |
in collusion with |
10:07:24 |
| 53 | Archival: Building site |
the builders. Worked hand in glove with them, |
10:07:26 |
| 54 | Archival: Builder's labourers |
and opposed any sort of militant |
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| 55 | Archival: sledge hammer bashing cement |
action and in |
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| 56 | Archival: Man with sledge hammer |
fact people like myself were hounded |
10:07:34 |
| 57 | Archival: Man in trench with jackhammer |
off jobs. |
10:07:36 |
| 58 | Archival: Building site |
Interviewer v/o: And a group of you formed a rank and |
10:07:38 |
| 59 | Photo: Jack at table with others |
file committee to do something about it. How did you get on? |
10:07:39 |
| 60 | Jack |
Jack sync: and bring a bit of decency to the rights of the workers, and they were the ingredients that led to hostility with the union leadership. |
10:07:49 |
| 61 | Archival: Skyscraper construction |
Jack v/o: And at the time,we realised that if we were going to have longer |
10:08:00 |
| 62 | Archival: Worker on building |
standing success, well, it |
10:08:06 |
| 63 | Archival: Man smoothing cement |
would mean that we would have to have |
10:08:09 |
| 64 | Archival: Workers on building site |
a level of activity and control within the |
10:08:11 |
| 65 | Archival: Workers in trench |
union movement itself, and that's what we worked to do. |
10:08:15 |
| 66 | Archival: Workers pouring cement |
Interviewer v/o: It was while you were working as a builder's labourer that you got married. |
10:08:19 |
| 67 | Jack |
What effect did your activism have on your marriage Jack sync: Well I was going through an extremely difficult period because it was just before we broke through in the union movement and |
10:08:25 |
| 68 | Photo: Stephanie |
Jack v/o: Stephanie was pregnant so there was enormous pressure on us but |
10:08:38 |
| 69 | Photo: Stephanie |
she had support for the idea of what I was about and, and went along with it. |
10:08:45 |
| 70 | Photo: Stephanie |
after she gave birth to Michael, she was good style of woman, good build and she fell away, her weight fell right away and |
10:08:51 |
| 71 | Jack |
Jack sync: her health didn't improve and she went into a coma, and Michael was 15 months when Stephanie died and |
10:09:01 |
| 72 | Photo: Jack with baby Michael |
Jack v/o: she was only then 22, and she died of a cerebral haemorrhage And Michael's |
10:09:12 |
| 73 | Photo: Jack, Michael and Grandmother |
grandmother, where we were still living then took over the role of, of mother and |
10:09:19 |
| 74 | Jack |
Jack sync: I, that was '62 and I stayed there for three more years and then '65 I married my present wife, Judy. |
10:09:27 |
| 75 | Photo: Jack with Judy |
Interviewer v/o: How did it work out with Michael and Judy? did they get on well together? Jack v/o: Oh yes, he was, |
10:09:34 |
| 76 | Photo: Jack and Judy's wedding |
he was just 15 months when Stephanie died and so he was |
10:09:40 |
| 77 | Photo: Young Michael. |
five when we got married, so known her since he was three and, and |
10:09:45 |
| 78 | Photo: Jack, Judy and Michael |
perfectly with her, had a terrific relationship right through life with Judy. |
10:09:51 |
| 79 | Photo: Michael. |
Interviewer v/o: Now when your group took over the union |
10:09:55 |
| 80 | Photo: Union members |
you used strong industrial action and dramatically improved wages and conditions. What made you |
10:09:59 |
| 81 | Archival: Demonstration outside Sydney Town hall |
start using your industrial muscle to support social and political causes? Jack v/o: The Vietnam War commenced |
10:10:07 |
| 82 | Archival: Demonstration |
and immediately Australia, of course, was split down the centre |
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| 83 | Archival: Peace Demonstration |
over whether we should be involved or not. |
10:10:21 |
| 84 | Archival: Police carrying demonstrator |
And the union took a stand |
10:10:24 |
| 85 | Archival: Protest rally |
that we shouldn't be involved in the war |
10:10:28 |
| 86 | Jack |
Jack sync: and there was a lot of discussion at the job level on this |
10:10:10 |
| 87 | Archival: Labourers union protest |
Jack v/o: and the big protest marches that took place, |
10:10:10 |
| 88 | Archival: Woman in protest rally |
we always based ourselves on the rights of the |
10:10:40 |
| 89 | Archival: Worker's demonstration |
workers to determine whether they should be in it or not. But also in the support of our own blacks, |
10:10:42 |
| 90 | Archival: Gurindji people |
when the Gurindji people took |
10:10:50 |
| 91 | Archival: Man talking to Gurindji people |
action and the stockmen went on strike in Northern |
10:10:53 |
| 92 | Archival: Aboriginal man |
Territory we brought |
10:10:56 |
| 93 | Archival: Older Aboriginal man |
down the leaders of the |
10:10:59 |
| 94 | Archival: Aboriginal man |
strike and took them round the |
10:11:01 |
| 95 | Jack |
Jack sync: building sites to talk to the building workers about the actual conditions that existed. |
10:11:03 |
| 96 | Archival: Protest march |
Jack v/o: And that, and that the, the whole question of land rights was in fact an |
10:11:09 |
| 97 | Archival: Demonstrator |
issue that the union should be involved in. |
10:11:16 |
| 98 | Archival: Jack in protest march |
all of these matters were being discussed and the apartheid issue had come to the fore particularly with the |
10:11:19 |
| 99 | Archival: Rugby match |
rugby union side coming here in 1971. And Mandela when he came to Australia of course paid |
10:11:31 |
| 100 | Archival: Football crowd |
credit to all of the protesters who took action in that period, so it |
10:11:37 |
| 101 | Archival: Police and demonstrators |
was a, a very |
10:11:42 |
| 102 | Archival: Protesters |
positive |
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| 103 | Archival: Police detain protestor |
example of demonstration |
10:11:44 |
| 104 | Archival: Female demonstator |
being for the good. Interviewer v/o: Yours was the first building union |
10:11:46 |
| 105 | Archival: Male protestor being detained |
to allow women on to the job, |
10:11:50 |
| 106 | Archival: Woman with wheelbarrow |
you took action in support of gays-how did you persuade a bunch of builder's labourers in the 60's and 70's |
10:11:52 |
| 107 | Jack |
to come out on behalf of women, blacks and gays? Jack sync: I think it's precisely because of the manner in which the union leadership had won the confidence of the rank and file about basic union requirements |
10:12:01 |
| 108 | Archival: Woman labourer |
that gave them a certain |
10:12:15 |
| 109 | Archival: Woman labourers |
dignity. it's true that not every builders' labourer was a galloping |
10:12:18 |
| 110 | Archival: Woman labourer |
women's libber or even supporter of the |
10:12:22 |
| 111 | Archival: Man and woman labourer |
rights of gays, but at least |
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| 112 | Jack |
Jack sync: we broke down the hostility of the more extreme element and let the more progressive element carry resolutions that took the union movement into a more mature position. |
10:12:28 |
| 113 | Archival: Jack giving speech. |
Jack sync: We are not only concerned about ensuring that we have work for all our members, we are also concerned about the type of buildings we build. |
10:12:41 |
| 114 | Archival: Union members |
Interviewer v/o: But it was your next |
10:12:50 |
| 115 | Archival: Terraced street |
move that really put the union on the map. What started the now internationally famous green ban movement? Jack v/o: Well, first of all I think that the environment |
10:12:52 |
| 116 | Jack |
Jack sync: action of the builders' labourers was easily the most dynamic involvement that the union had. |
10:13:04 |
| 117 | Archival: Sydney Harbour bridge |
Jack v/o: But it came about not by way of any great thinking on the part of the leaders of the builders' labourers, but by way of the unlikely alliance between |
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| 118 | Jack |
Jack sync: middle upper class people from a fashionable suburb of Sydney, Hunters Hill, who had fought against a proposed development |
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| 119 | Archival: Sydney harbour |
Jack v/o: or the fortunate few, they were going to destroy the last remaining bush land on Parramatta River. |
10:13:33 |
| 120 | Archival: People in picnic area |
And the women, all women, calling themselves the Battlers for this bit of land called |
10:13:39 |
| 121 | Archival: Protest signs |
Kelly's Bush, came to the builders' labourers union. Some of the workers said, well, Jesus Christ, what do we do? You know, we haven't got any members in Hunters Hill, wouldn't be one there. |
10:13:47 |
| 122 | Archival: Women in Kelly's Bush |
And others argued |
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| 123 | Archival: Harbour Bridge through bush |
well then if we're fair dinkum, whether it's Penrith or Liverpool or Hunters Hill if we |
10:13:59 |
| 124 | Archival: People walking through bush |
believe in the right of urban bush land to |
10:14:07 |
| 125 | Jack |
Jack sync: remain and not to destroy everything, well then we should be consistent. So we said to the Battlers from Kelly's Bush, if you can demonstrate that it's the feeling of the people in the area and not just the fortunate few in the immediate vicinity of Kelly's Bush, we would impose a ban. |
10:14:10 |
| 126 | Archival: People standing around pots boiling on fire |
Jack v/o: And in fact we never imposed a |
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| 127 | Archival: Priest with people |
ban if the residents couldn't back it up |
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| 128 | Archival: People around table |
with numbers of |
10:14:31 |
| 129 | Archival: People at demonstration. |
people at a meeting. |
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| 130 | Archival: Tilt up to people in bush |
Interviewer v/o: Your members, low wage earners, |
10:14:34 |
| 131 | Photo: Sydney skyline |
were actually prepared to forego income to protect their city. Why? Jack v/o: Well, I think, that we learnt through our own actions, we learnt that we could be |
10:14:38 |
| 132 | Archival: Building under construction |
fruitful in our actions and workers got a lot of pride out of that, |
10:14:49 |
| 133 | Archival: The Rocks area |
workers got a lot of pride out of being part of saving the Rocks, |
10:14:55 |
| 134 | Archival: Opera House |
saving the fig trees at the Opera House, Centennial Park. There was a feeling that they had a role to |
10:14:58 |
| 135 | Jack |
Jack sync: play, that workers were not just there as chattels but they had a role to play. We also argued that we should be building buildings that are socially useful |
10:15:04 |
| 136 | Archival: Jack exiting city building |
Jack v/o: and I think that's important that we weren't just saying stop, stop, stop this. Interviewer v/o: What do you think was your most important individual contribution to that collective effort to make those green bans work? Jack v/o: I think being involved in it and giving it some direction and then I suppose hitting upon the idea of |
10:15:14 |
| 137 | Jack |
Jack sync: calling of green bans as against black bans, certainly assisted one of those rare shifts that occur where we could attract more people to it, |
10:15:34 |
| 138 | Archival: Building inscribed "Save Victoria Street" |
Jack v/o: I mean I think that that was to me the most important thing that I've done |
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| 139 | Archival: Children in window |
personally. |
10:15:52 |
| 140 | Archival: Tracking shot along terraced street |
But the strength of the green ban movement was its collectivism. Evidence |
10:15:54 |
| 141 | Archival: Police and demonstrators |
shows that we were very egalitarian |
10:15:59 |
| 142 | Archival: Police and Jack |
in the way we went about it and that to me was the proudest thing. But I think that green bans certainly |
10:16:01 |
| 143 | Archival: Loudspeakers - pan to demonstrators |
was the highlight of my life. Interviewer v/o: Did you have anything to overcome |
10:16:08 |
| 144 | Archival: Woman protestors on horseback |
in yourself in taking on your very public role |
10:16:13 |
| 145 | Archival: Demonstrators |
Jack v/o: Yeah, a lack of confidence. |
10:16:18 |
| 146 | Jack |
Jack sync: I was reluctant to speak, I used to worry a lot about speaking and it was only through the years that I got, I gained some confidence there so I was, I was a pretty shy, even though it might be hard to believe now, I was a pretty shy person when I first became active in the union movement and it was just the hard battle of life that, that I overcame a lot of that, so it was, it was weakness in the first part. I used to stammer a lot and I used to find it difficult to express myself when I first became involved. Interviewer v/o: But as you gained confidence, what did it feel like |
10:16:21 |
| 147 | Archival: Jack with film crew |
to have the power to change things? Jack v/o: Oh they were exciting times. It'd be something strange with a person if they weren't influenced by being able to stop |
10:17:05 |
| 148 | Archival: Jack in TV studio |
the destruction of rain forests in north Queensland which was one of the things that we carried out they were terrific. You felt that you were doing something that you actually believed in |
10:17:17 |
| 149 | Archival: Jack in TV studio |
and you were doing it with |
10:19:29 |
| 150 | Archival: Jack in newspaper clipping |
the assistance of those |
10:17:32 |
| 151 | Archival : Jack in newspaper clipping |
who you represented. So not only were you fighting for their wages |
10:17:34 |
| 152 | Archival: Jack in magazine |
and conditions but you also fighting for really |
10:17:37 |
| 153 | Archival: Jack on Bulletin cover |
good issues as well, so |
10:17:40 |
| 154 | Jack |
Jack sync: naturally it was a certain elation in being able to do this. But at the same time your feet never left the ground too far because you always had a hostile opponent, you always had in our case a very conservative and corrupt government under Askin wanting very much to destroy us and trying to hard to do so and also developers, likewise, in tandem with those conservative politicians, so you know we had to be, we had to watch our back all the time. Interviewer v/o: What was it that finally took you and your |
10:17:43 |
| 155 | Archival: Sydney Opera House steps |
group out of power? Jack v/o: I had felt for a long time |
10:18:23 |
| 156 | Archival: Jack with megaphone |
that union officials come in to a union |
10:18:27 |
| 157 | Archival: Union members on steps |
with all the good ideas and with desire to really improve it |
10:18:33 |
| 158 | Archival: Union member |
but with the passage of |
10:18:38 |
| 159 | Jack |
Jack sync: time they become more conservative, a lot of them who are slightly opportunistic often take a role with the employers and leave the union go, or they use it as a stepping stone to a cushy job somewhere or a seat in parliament |
10:18:41 |
| 160 | Archival: Jack enters office |
Jack v/o: and I felt that if power was limited, if it could be demonstrated that a tenure of office would show that the leadership could relinquish power and go back to the rank and file and then come back again if necessary, if elected, would, would cement the feeling between the rank and file of the membership. I think this was felt by a lot of career union leaders as extremely dangerous and so they were opposed to it. Interviewer v/o: But it was Norm Gallagher, |
10:19:00 |
| 161 | Archival: Norm Gallagher at picket line |
from Melbourne federal secretary |
10:19:33 |
| 162 | Archival: Gallagher crosses picket line |
of your own union who finally brought you down. How did that happen? Jack v/o: When the developers and the Master |
10:19:36 |
| 163 | Jack |
Jack sync: Builders who were the organisation that looked after the developers, when they couldn't break or coerce the union, when they couldn't |
10:19:45 |
| 164 | Archival: Protestor detained by police |
Jack v/o: bribe or coerce us, they then used divisions within the union |
10:19:53 |
| 165 | Archival: Police detain Jack |
to destroy the New South Wales leadership. Jack sync: Have a look at this on the job... |
10:19:58 |
| 166 | Archival: Police detain protestors |
Man # 1 sync: this is what Gallagher does... Man #2 o/s: Collusion with the State police, the MBA. |
10:20:03 |
| 167 | Archival: Police climbing ladder |
Jack v/o: and of course history now shows that Gallagher took secret commissions |
10:20:07 |
| 168 | Jack |
Jack sync: and, and was, unlike us, was bribed and finally succumbed to the employer's wish that they move in and destroy the New South Wales leadership. |
10:20:12 |
| 169 | Archival: Demonstrators |
Jack v/o: The union was de-registered and when the union got reregistered, Owens, Pringle, myself applied |
10:20:25 |
| 170 | Archival: BLF Protestor |
for membership and we obtained membership. Gallagher thumbed his nose at us and still with the |
10:20:33 |
| 171 | Archival: Gallagher with others |
Master Builders refused to employ us so we were locked out . Interviewer v/o: And after Gallagher forced you out of the union you became very |
10:20:42 |
| 172 | Photo: Jack at microphone |
busy as an environmental advocate and leader and then you suffered another personal tragedy |
10:20:51 |
| 173 | Photo: Michael |
didn't you with the death of your son Michael. Jack v/o: At the very same age as his mother, 22, he was |
10:20:58 |
| 174 | Jack |
Jack sync: tragically killed in a car accident, passenger in a car. He shared my environmental concerns about many things including motor vehicles and ironically died as a passenger as a car when he was 22 and five months. Terrible set back, never got over it. Interviewer v/o: How did you cope? |
10:21:06 |
| 175 | Photo: Young Michael in bed |
Jack v/o: I guess I just threw myself into, into the work, I mean, I was busy before but |
10:21:30 |
| 176 | Photo: Young Michael at piano |
I mean I've been brought up a Catholic but the |
10:21:36 |
| 177 | Photo: Young Michael at piano |
longer I was believing in Marxism the less I believed in, you know, in religion |
10:21:42 |
| 178 | Jack |
Jack sync: and, and so I suppose, I think there is a realistic attitude that atheists have, that you don't believe in blind faith in religion, I think there's a, it gives an atheist a strength, in my opinion anyway, it certainly did with me. That all you've got both in the death of Stephanie and Michael, all you've got are the memories and when people say well, time will heal. Well, I say, I don't want time to heal, all you've got are the memories, |
10:21:47 |
| 179 | Photo: Michael playing guitar |
Jack v/o: all the good things that happen and all the many other things that happen, all you've got are those memories and |
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| 180 | Photo: Michael playing guitar |
I treasure those memories, and I think that's the best way to, to |
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| 181 | Photo: Jack with Michael in pool |
try and come to terms with something that will, will be with you all your life, till you die yourself. Interviewer v/o: Jack, what do you need to be happy? Jack v/o: Well, in the autumn of my |
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Jack sync: life I, I don't think I want very much. The period I've got left will be devoted to doing all I can in a fairly modest way of assisting socialists and environmentalists to come together to try and be more effective in blunting the worst excesses of corporatism which I see as very dangerous indeed. Interviewer v/o: So for you when I |
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| 183 | Photo: Jack by wall - "Smash Reds" |
ask about personal happiness you really can only reply in terms of political change |
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| 184 | Photo: Jack by wall " Kill Mundey" |
because that's what it's become for you? Am I right? jack v/o: Oh sure, I think that |
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| 185 | Photo: Jack carried by police |
I've never been, I think it's individualism if you just think about yourself all the time. I think it's, |
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| 186 | Jack |
Jack sync: it's the strength of like-minded people coming together that can bring about change, individuals can't of themselves. Interviewer v/o: But people like you did come together in the |
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| 187 | Photo: Jack with fingers in peace sign |
sixties and seventies and fought successfully for ideals that have now been completely turned on their heads. What happened? Jack v/o: Very difficult question but it |
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| 188 | Jack |
Jack sync: is true. It's difficult for those who were so heartened by all the progressive issues that were tackled in the sixties and seventies, then to find that for two decades a complete reverse with privatisation, deregulation and economic fundamentalism changing our very lives and all the goals that we had have vanished as more and more people work harder with more and more stress, with greater gap between rich and poor and all the things that are against anyone who believes in a fairer and more decent world, and I believe that that is only temporary. I think that this nightmare cannot continue and there will be a return to the sort of civilised attitudes that were there, were prominent in that period in the three quarter mark of the twentieth century. FREEZE FRAME. FADE TO BLACK. |
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| 190 | Photo: Jack DISSOLVE TO: Sound Recordist Production Manager Sound Post Production Online Editor |
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| 192 | Photo: Young Jack Business Affairs Manager With Thanks To |
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| 193 | Photo: Jack showing peace sign "CITY OF GREEN" |
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| 194 | Photo: Jack with police |
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| 195 | Photo: 3 shot Jack in graduation gear. |
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| 196 | Photo: Jack in room |
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| 197 | Photo: Jack at microphone |
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| 199 | Photo: Jack at lectern |
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| 200 | Photo: Jack leaning on fence. FADE TO BLACK Produced and Directed by Made in association with SBS TV A Film Australia National Interest Program |
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